I'm not surprised...Political-ish?

"Future next gen S2000 owner" (future-next-gen-s2000-owner) 02/20/2019 at 10:30 • Filed to: shitposting

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This seems to me like a money grab. With all due respect to ImmoralMinority, this is why people don’t like lawyers.

Is this part of an overzealous 24 hr news cycle, yes. Is this worth 250 million? Not a chance. Will the Post settle for significantly less, the kid gets some cash, and the lawyers get their chunk? Yes. I’m calling my shot.

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Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs > Future next gen S2000 owner 02/20/2019 at 10:36

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So kid faces off with native American during a protest , news media interprets it several ways, social media several more ways. Now the school wants money? Is that about the long and the short of it?

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > Future next gen S2000 owner 02/20/2019 at 10:39

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The news cycle never fails to amaze me. Take a hot-button “story”  and pummel it to oblivion for weeks on end.

Wars? Upcoming recession? Regressive rights? Wage gap? Reckless spending by citizens and government alike? MEH.

fintail > Future next gen S2000 owner 02/20/2019 at 10:41

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This must be those bootstraps the liars have been talking about so much.

What was reported that was false? I mean, if a Diocese clears someone, that’s pretty much an admission that the person isn’t clear. For being such tough brave patriotic self-made har dworking real Murkans in Magachoad hats, they sure are sensitive.

Tapas > Future next gen S2000 owner 02/20/2019 at 10:42

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The Newsroom (HBO show) addresses this problem.

(Fair warning, it may come off as holier than thou some times, but it is quite honest and riveting)

The TV channels were required by law to present the daily news in an hour long slot with zero commercialization as a service to the American public, in return for the privilege of broadcasting rights.

As soon as this law was removed, all hell broke lose. What’s more, all society has developed a reduced attention span, which combines poorly with the need to fill 24 hours of air time. This has all been a fatal blow to investigative journalism.

Now, its all about sensationalism and sound bites at best (All other news channels). At its worst, it is propaganda, intentionally selective coverage to push pre-selected narrative, disingenuous opinion shows and hyperbole (Fox).

Thanks Obama! /s

Quick update: The OJ chase was a monumental “paradigm shift” (I know, I hate that term too) in modern news. It just goes to show if people tune in for anything on any channel, it will do more of that. It’s like a real life action movie in the middle of news broadcast.

Police chases are much more common now, but they are not news. The report of an arrest, danger to public and traffic conditions should be the only thing news were concerned with up until then. Its like - Imagine if you could sell a PhD thesis on STDs much better by including a love story of one of the subjects .

Textured Soy Protein > Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs 02/20/2019 at 10:43

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His parents are the ones filing the lawsuit, in which they claim that the WaPo used their kid as a pawn in a biased liberal attempt to hurt Trump.

someassemblyrequired > Future next gen S2000 owner 02/20/2019 at 10:45

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I’m not sure how “high school idiot goes looking for trouble, finds it” qualifies one for a $250MM payout, but we live in interesting times.

Spanfeller is a twat > Future next gen S2000 owner 02/20/2019 at 10:52

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I think that they sue for 250 knowing they are gonna l ose, but WaPo would settle for 5-10 to make the bad publicity go away instead of letting this drag along for too long. That way this insufferable kid will be an insufferable trust fund college kid in two years. The parents had quite the strategy.

That’s how patent trolling works, so it might be the same thing.

Honeybunchesofgoats > Tapas 02/20/2019 at 10:55

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Then add Twitter and 1) the race the publish stories lest they lose any of those sweet, sweet social media shares and 2) lazy use of tweets by random outliers as representative of public opinion.

The latter is one of my biggest pet peeves. No one cares about what @colliemolester69 thinks about education reform, that’s why @colliemolester69 spends all day tweeting. 

ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) > Spanfeller is a twat 02/20/2019 at 10:57

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Oh it absolutely is exactly the same.

Cause drama, play victim, sue for many, many millions, settle for some millions.

The above is what they like to call bootstraps.

Galileo Humpkins (aka MC Clap Yo Handz) > Tapas 02/20/2019 at 10:59

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I love The Newsroom. If that opening scene isn’t one of the greatest things you’ve ever seen, then I don’t know what would be. I remember having a conversation with Mrs. Humpkins sometime in late 2016 about how I felt that it was 4 years too early. Not to mention, the characters brought up some really good points and ideas on that show.

Tapas > Honeybunchesofgoats 02/20/2019 at 10:59

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Yep.

Twitter is not news. No social media is news.

We need to start teaching kids in school to believe information only if they review 2 separate sources, none of which are social media.

and 100 more > Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs 02/20/2019 at 11:03

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I’m no fan of MAGA hats, but...

Apparently, the truth is that the kid did NOT square up to the old man; the old man approached the kid and got in HIS face. What you see in the video is the two, nose to nose, but that interaction was NOT started by the kid.

But the media ran with this narrative of the MAGA kid and his cohort instigating trouble. No, they were there being smug little shits, but they were NOT ins ti gating. And when WaPo vilified MAGA kid, he and his family were doxxed and death threats were made against him and his family. Kathy Griffin literally called for this kid’s death on Twitter. She has a platform. That’s scary as fuck when someone who’s credentials are “I’ve been on TV” can whip up enough frenzy to threaten the life of someone by their tweets alone.

Even after the truth was brought to light, loud-mou th s like Bill Mahe r were still pushing the wrong narrative.

Again, I don’t defend Trump supporters for being Trump supporters , but this kid (kid, mind you, just a teenager, which his whole life ahead of him ) and his family are literally in fear of their lives now. I don’t know how to put a price tag on that, but that’s for the judge to decide.

Tapas > Galileo Humpkins (aka MC Clap Yo Handz) 02/20/2019 at 11:07

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I agree wholeheartedly!

Dru > Future next gen S2000 owner 02/20/2019 at 11:09

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I don’t know what is more striking, that this kid and his family are suing for 250 Million, or that 250 Million is a fraction of a fraction of Jeff Bezos’ net worth.

and 100 more > Honeybunchesofgoats 02/20/2019 at 11:10

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If that twitter handle isn’t taken, I may have to grab that.

nermal > Future next gen S2000 owner 02/20/2019 at 11:10

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Not unexpected, although I agree that the $$$ amount is unrealistically high.

I’m expecting them to rinse & repeat the lawsuit against every other news outlet that used the kid to paint a false narrative... 

and 100 more > Tapas 02/20/2019 at 11:12

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But even the news is not without bias lately. The best sources are one who have no interest in what goes on here, but then you step away from reg ul ated sources.

Tapas > and 100 more 02/20/2019 at 11:21

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I prefer R euters, As sociated Press and the BBC. r/news is my  compilation list of news.

Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs > and 100 more 02/20/2019 at 11:34

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Yeah, the media definitely seemed to jump on the wrong narrative. But I really don’t know how much at the forefront this still is for anyone but those directly involved. And to get 250 million for this seems insane. I could understand maybe a 100k or so, along with an apology from those that pushed a false narrative. That’s shitty of them. But it’s also shitty of that kid to show up wearing a hat that would obviously spark controversy. What possible other purpose could he have had? None.

In other words I think it’s preposterous that this school and those involved should be made multi millionaires.

Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs > Textured Soy Protein 02/20/2019 at 11:36

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Yeah be that as it may, the kid also used his hat as a way to instigate controversy at the protest. I don’t feel he and his family deserve to become multi millionaires over this. Sure, they deserve an apology from those that blindly ran with a false narrative, but they weren’t so terribly wronged that they need to be ele vated to the 1% of this country.

Textured Soy Protein > Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs 02/20/2019 at 11:40

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The kid and his family are shitbags.

The WaPo posted several updates to the story including the second video that provided more context.

For Sweden > Future next gen S2000 owner 02/20/2019 at 11:40

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The entire incident was silly

Media personalities called for the kid to be murdered, so I understand the parent s’ motivation.

Textured Soy Protein > and 100 more 02/20/2019 at 11:43

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The whole group of MAGA kids were getting into it with the black hebrew israelites (who were the ones who started it) , the Indian guy got in the middle of it, and the kids stood around him staring him down. T he sensible thing would’ve been for the chaperones to say, “hey kids, let’s quit messing with these weirdos and move somewhere else.” 

The mere fact that they had been bussed in to DC to go to an anti-abortion rally in their MAGA hats makes them assholes to begin with.

and 100 more > Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs 02/20/2019 at 11:46

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Again, they’re seeking $250M... doesn’t mean they’ll get it. That’s for the judge to suss out. Not only does this involve what preceded the incident (like a group of kids in MAGA hats showi ng up at an existing rally), but also what comes after - like will this kid be able to be employed some day, due to all the false negative press he rec ei ved? Will the family someday come into harm for this? There’s a lot to weight out, and we are not the ones to put a price on all that.

I agree, showing up to counter-protest is a quick way to get into a fight, but we cannot allow people’s lives to be threatened in this way, regardless of their political stance , by people who were not even there at the rally, by left-leaning celebrities with active twitter bases, and especially by news organizations purporting to have “journalistic integrity”.

Either way, nobody is right when you’re threatening a 16yo with death for being an asshole.

and 100 more > Textured Soy Protein 02/20/2019 at 11:48

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No argu ment from me on any of your points. This was an example of using children as political fodder. That is disgusting.

That said, who maintains the right to threaten the life of a sixteen year old with a head full of nonsense and dumb hat?

Future next gen S2000 owner > For Sweden 02/20/2019 at 11:53

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Indeed, it was all blown out of proportion.

BigBlock440 > Future next gen S2000 owner 02/20/2019 at 11:57

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Good for them, if that’s what it takes to bring some semblance of truthful reporting back and make media organizations think before sending something out, great, if not, hopefully the next one will.

marshknute > fintail 02/20/2019 at 12:02

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Have you been following this situation at all?

Phillips approached Sandman and started beating a drum and chanting in his face. Sandman stood motionless and smiled. Then Phillips lied to reporters and claimed that the kids made racist remarks to him and attacked the Black Israelites, despite video evidence confirming Sandman said nothing at all and his peers only sang their school spirit song. The video confirms that no group was attacked, but that Phillips invaded Sandman’s personal space and that the Black Israelites directed racist and homophobic slurs at the students .

So, y es, the media lied .   Even if you argue that  t hey truthfully reported the false narrative given by Phillips, the video evidence disproves his story from every angle.  And seeing as the headline photo is a screenshot from the video itself, the media had ample evidence from the get-go to know the full story. 

Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs > and 100 more 02/20/2019 at 12:05

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Yeah, fair enough. Threatening someone’s life should not be okay, but I feel there’s steps that can be taken before asking for $250mm.

and 100 more > Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs 02/20/2019 at 12:11

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I don’t disagree with you. I would hope the judge looks at this case and points out that poking the bear is never a good idea, and shouldn’t be rewarded.

Regardless, this whole thing is a shit-show, whichever side you stand on. Completely m ishandled by everyone involved.

Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs > and 100 more 02/20/2019 at 12:16

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like will this kid be able to be employed some day, due to all the false negative press he receiv ed? Will the family someday come into harm for this?

With our news cycle, I bet all but those that were directly involved still think about this. However he will pop up if you Google him. So maybe in that sense he deserves something . But I think maybe it shouldn’t be monetary.

Either way, nobody is right when you’re threatening a 16yo with death for being an asshole.

Certainly not, but perhaps they should be punished rather than making this family wealthy beyond their wildest dreams. My motivation for being so against giving them all kinds of money is that I just do not like the litigious nature of this country, the fact that you can achieve some semblance of the American Dream simply by suing, sometimes it’s justified, but often it’s ridiculous . Nor do I like the divisiveness between left and right, because that’s why we are where we are now with this particular mess. It happens day in day out, each side is constantly busy trying to find ways to disparage and put down the other. And all of our views are much more nuanced than that.

But yeah... I’m being idealistic here.

Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs > and 100 more 02/20/2019 at 12:17

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Yeah, I totally agree. I hope a fair judge gets this case. Or if they already did, I hope they are in fact fair.

Neil drives a beetle and a fancy beetle > Galileo Humpkins (aka MC Clap Yo Handz) 02/20/2019 at 12:31

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I’ve always hated the opening scene. I generally appreciate being able to remove oneself from titles and being critical of America to make it better.

However, it is also so full of condescending crap. I especially hated how he says that girl is from the “ worst generation ever period ever period”. Get over it. Almost every shot fired by boomers at millennials is a reflection of their own failings.

He does what lots of people who he is criticizing do, he romanticizes the past. He says that America was great by a bunch of subjective criteria and defines it as not the greatest by objective ones.

I like that he is encouraging critical thinking but hate how the scene paints in broad brushes of, “young people are awful” and back in the day,  platitudes . Never ending middle eastern wars, increasing incarceration rates, struggling education systems, inadequate health care; those are things millennials live with- not things they set policies in place to cause.

Not to mention the interaction seems to be kind of sexist towards the girl. Calling her a “sorority girl”, saying “stumble into a voting booth”. Young eager nervous women can be smart informed citizens. 

and 100 more > Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs 02/20/2019 at 12:34

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Punished, for what? Being Republican? Wearing MAGA hats to a rally?

I don’t agree with this. This is a really slippery slope, because how long until we start punishing and imprisoning political dissidents, based on who is in office ?

Future next gen S2000 owner > BigBlock440 02/20/2019 at 12:37

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As long as profits out weigh the settlements, I’m not sure anything will change.

fintail > marshknute 02/20/2019 at 12:44

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Not intently.

Ah yes, the youtube video which shows absolutely every aspect of the d ay. As far as I know, there’s conveniently no video of interaction between the affluenzites and Israelites before their outburst either.

This isn’t about “the media” though, it is about a specific outlet. Seems odd he’s only chasing WaPo when the story was viral before that source got into it, and for IIRC the exact amount of money Bezos paid for the paper. Sucking up to 45, without a doubt, if 45 isn’t egging it on himself. There’s a definite political bent here, it’d be interesting to see an expose of the kid’s father. Process of discovery should also be interesting.

And if he thinks a target was on him before, well, lololol

Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs > and 100 more 02/20/2019 at 12:52

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Sorry, I was kind of unclear, I was referring to the people that ran with a false narrative to the point of death threats, that should not be okay. Although it may be a slippery slope too, with free speech and all. But I don’t know the finer points of that.

The kid should not be punished, we don’t punish idiots unless in the process of being one they break the law.

and 100 more > Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs 02/20/2019 at 12:59

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Gotcha, i  totally misunderstood what you were saying! Thank you for clarifying.

Textured Soy Protein > and 100 more 02/20/2019 at 13:05

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How did the Washington Post threaten the kid’s life? 

and 100 more > Textured Soy Protein 02/20/2019 at 13:18

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By publishing false information about his involvement in the situation. By turning him into a figurehead.

Did they directly threaten him or call harm upon him ? No.

Did their platform as a wide-reaching journalistic publication cause him to be threatened? Yes.

BigBlock440 > Future next gen S2000 owner 02/20/2019 at 13:30

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Yeah, I’m being irrationally hopeful.

Galileo Humpkins (aka MC Clap Yo Handz) > Neil drives a beetle and a fancy beetle 02/20/2019 at 16:21

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It’s certainly not without its faults, I’d never argue that it is perfect. Of course it’s full of condescension the whole show is, and of course it’s all up it’s own ass, it’s Aaron Sorkin. That doesn’t mean there aren’t good ideas and points within it.

Look, every generation thinks that one of the younger generations is the worst. Personally, I’m barely a millennial and I think a lot of millennials are honestly terrible. Sure, they/we didn’t put anything into place that resulted in where we were then/are now, and we’re just living with them, and yes previous generations had qualities/situations where I could generalize and say they’re the worst (or at least terrible) but honestly, millennials are, to me, pretty insufferable.

Again, though it has it’s faults, I think there’s a general message of the whole scene that is spot on and fantastic. As far as him being sexist, yeah, the character probably was.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Tapas 02/20/2019 at 20:16

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“ Bad News” by Tom Fenton called this @13 years ago. It is also at the same time cable news has been killing newspaper while doing 0 investigative reporting themselves. It is why they’ll repeat the same 10 statements and add little to nothing of depth. 

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Textured Soy Protein 02/20/2019 at 20:19

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first rule of any city, when you encounter crazy people, just keep walking. That the chaperones thought it would be good to stay and not walk 200 feet away, and then start singing  is dumb.